Lähettäjä: Soijuv Lähetetty: 30.11.2005 13:44
Kissankynsivalmisteen hyödyistä käydään keskustelua Lymenetissä. Seuraavassa otteita sieltä.
PS. Iippo, minkälaiset olivat kokemuksesi valmisteesta? Onko muilla kokemuksia aineesta?
1. "It will HELP, but alone, not cure. It is hitting Bb from the glycolysis angle only. "
2. "My wife and I, both positive for Lyme with IgeneX and Bowen, have been taking Cat's Claw for 20 months. We have tried many different
brands including the TOA-free form. Initially it only took about 3-4 drops of the TOA-free form to herx. After increasing to about 50 drops/day with no herxing, we found that the RainTree Cat's Claw in capsule form has the
most activity. I don't believe the TOA-free extract has the full potency of the herb because of the ex-traction process. We are both symptom free after having the late- stage neuro symptoms untreated for 1 1/2 years.
The only abx in our treatment was doxycycline - 200 mg./day for 4 weeks, then followed by the herbal treatment.
Blue Skies............John "
3. I've been on it about a year and a half. I take Prima Una de Gato capsules from Allergy Research (TOA Free). I herxed off 1/2 capsule within 30 minutes. It enabled me to cut my abx dose in half and eventually go off antibiotics. It's been a year off abx, and still no relapse, and I still continue to improve.
It also regulates blood pressure, blood sugar and metabolism. There's lots of science to back up it's use..
http://www.allergyresearchgroup.com/pro ... uctSheet07
1805.pdf
Description
Prima Uña de Gato
(Hypoallergenic)
Prima Uña de Gato contains cat's claw (Uncaria tomentosa) extract standardized to a minimum of 0.5% pentacyclic oxindole alkaloids (POAs), and is 100% free of tetracyclic oxindole alkaloids (TOAs).
4. I have heard that pure Cat's Claw (not TOA free / Samento) is far stronger and preferable. I've been taking it - 4 capsules daily, 500 mg ea. - for several months. It's hard to tell, though, if a herx is from that, or from the abx.
This is the site where I have been getting them.
http://www.rain-tree.com/cats-claw-capsules.htm
There's also quite a bit of research there on cat's claw.
5. "Historic medicinal practice has defined Cat's Claw, also known as Una de Gato or Uncaria tomentosa, as an effective treatment for several health disorders including chronic inflammation, gastrointestinal dysfunction such as ulcers, tumors and infections. The efficacy of Cat's Claw was originally believed, as early as the 1960s, to be due to the presence of oxindole alkaloids. However, more recently water-soluble Cat's Claw extracts were shown not to contain significant amounts of alkaloids *<0.05%*, and yet still were shown to be very efficacious. Here we characterize the active ingredients of a water-soluble Cat's Claw extract called C-Med-100 as inhibiting cell growth without cell death thus providing enhanced opportunities for DNA repair, and the consequences thereof, such as immune stimulation, anti-inflammation and cancer prevention. The active ingredients were chemically defined as quinic acid esters and could also be shown to be bioactive in vivo as quinic acid."
Pubmed
"We have previously reported that the C-Med 100 extract of the plant Uncaria tomentosa induces prolonged lymphocyte half life and hence increased spleen cell number in mice receiving the extract in their drinking water. Further, the extract induces cell proliferation arrest and inhibits activation of the transcriptional regulator nuclear factor kappaB *NF-kappaB* in vitro. We now report that mice exposed to quinic acid *QA*, a component of this extract, had significantly increased number of spleen cells, thus recapitulating the in vivo biological effect of C-Med 100 exposure. Commercially supplied QA H+ form, did not, however, inhibit cell proliferation in vitro, while the ammonia-treated QA *QAA* was a potent inhibitor. Both QA and QAA inhibited NF-kappaB activity in exposed cells at similar concentrations. Thus, our present data identify QA as a candidate component for both in vivo and in vitro biological effects of the C-Med 100 extract."
Pubmed
"Cat's claw is an herbal medicine from the Amazon that is used widely to treat inflammatory disorders. The purpose of this study was to characterize the antioxidative and antiinflammatory properties of cat's claw, Uncaria tomentosa *UT* and Uncaria guianensis *UG*. Alkaloids and flavanols were determined using reversed-phase HPLC; scavenging of 1,1-diphenyl-2-picrilhydrazyl *DPPH*, hydroxyl radicals, and lipid peroxidation by spectrophotometry; and TNFalpha production by ELISA. Anti-inflammatory activity was assessed in vitro by inhibition of TNFalpha and nitrite production from RAW 264.7 cells exposed to LPS *50 ng/ml* and in vivo using the indomethacin-induced gastritis model. Apoptosis was assessed using the TUNEL technique and TNFalpha mRNA by in situ RT-PCR. In each of the antioxidant assays tested, UG was more potent than UT *P < 0.01*. The total oxindole and pentacyclic alkaloid content of UT was 35-fold > UG. The IC50 value for inhibition of TNFalpha production was significantly *P < 0.01* higher for UT *14.1 ng/ml* vs UG *9.5 ng/ml*, yet at concentrations that were considerable lower than that required for antioxidant activity. Non-alkaloid HPLC fractions from UT decreased LPS-induced TNFalpha and nitrite production in RAW 264.7 cells *P < 0.0* at a concentration range comparable to the parent botanical. Oral pretreatment for 3 d with UT protected against indomethacin-induced gastritis, and prevented TNFalpha mRNA expression and apoptosis. These results indicate that while both species of cat's claw provide effective antioxidant and anti-inflammatory activities, U. guianensis is more potent. In conclusion, the presence of oxindole or pentacyclic alkaloids did not influence the antioxidant and anti-inflammatory properties of cat's claw."
Pubmed
6. Hi Everyone, 1st time to post. I have learned alot from everyone here. 22ys ill. Dianosed 14mo ago. I am doing Allergy Research CC. Herxed first drop. I take up to 9 drops 3xaday. Seeing progress. Healing Blessings to all.
7. I have been on Samento for over a year now, after trying Zhang, MHA, and MOH Lyme protocols. I am only up to 8 drops per day due to the strength of the herxing. I am allergic to all ABX but Cipro, so this is my main tx, but I boost it with Nattokinase (which allowed me to go from 3 to 8 drops), Sarsaparilla, Colostrum, and Resveratrol.
I have read Buhner's book, and tried some of his protocol. That is how I ended up on Sarsaparilla, which does seem to help with herx symptoms. However, the main herb he pushes is Andrographis, which stimulates the entire immune system, not just TH1, like Colostrum does, which is what we need. Being TH2 dominant, this resulted in a major allergic reaction to a substance that never bothered me before. Stopping Andrographis stopped the reaction. I believe if I had been stung by a bee, or fire ant while on this herb, I would not be here now. It also raised my blood pressure.
I have had improvements in depth and length of sleep, pain level, tachycardia/panic attacks, reduction in Lyme Rages, and a major reduction in fatigue. It has not helped my irritable bladder yet, which is one of my biggest problems. My cognition continues to deteriorate slowly, possibly due to pushing the herxing too hard, which the makers of Samento warn against. My Bowen test was at the highest possible level at the start, and after 8 months of tx, was down 2 levels. I will not test again, but will rely on symptom improvement as a marker of how I am doing. I was mis-dx'd for 17 yrs. with MS and then FMS, so it should take at least 40 months to get maximum improvement. I also had a severe brain injury that triggered my illness, so some of my problems may not be fixable, and may not be due to Lyme...it's hard to tell.
Klutzo
8. During the first month of my infection, I tried Cats Claw for a few days and ended up in ER passing out. I believe this was due to my very high bacteria load at the time and the large amounts of toxins created after taking this herb. I started taking this herb again recently (after 9 months of ABX) and am getting positive results from 500mg 2xday. I am taking this along with Biaxin/Bactrim and treating Bb/Babes.
KISSANKYNSI (SAMENTO) -KOKEMUKSIA
Valvojat: Jatta1001, Borrelioosiyhdistys, Bb
KISSANKYNSI (SAMENTO) -KOKEMUKSIA
Viimeksi muokannut Bb, La Maalis 07, 2009 18:15. Yhteensä muokattu 2 kertaa.
Lähettäjä: iippo Lähetetty: 30.11.2005 15:14
En käyttänyt Samentoa kuin yhden pullon eli en kovin pitkään. Jos olisi ollut mullistavimpia vaikutuksia, niin käyttäisin sitä kai vieläkin. Verenpainetta se laski. Huomenna alkaa taas Rocephalin hoito ja joulun alla tsekataan josko sitä vielä kolmen viikon jälkeen jatkettaisiin.
En käyttänyt Samentoa kuin yhden pullon eli en kovin pitkään. Jos olisi ollut mullistavimpia vaikutuksia, niin käyttäisin sitä kai vieläkin. Verenpainetta se laski. Huomenna alkaa taas Rocephalin hoito ja joulun alla tsekataan josko sitä vielä kolmen viikon jälkeen jatkettaisiin.
Lähettäjä: Soijuv Lähetetty: 1.12.2005 11:34
Hei Iippo, Näyttää siltä että Samentosta on useita erilaisia kokemuksia myös maailmalla. Löysin mm. seuraavan kertomuksen. Perheessä kaikilla borrelioosi, mutta he ovat päättäneet pysytellä erossa lääkkeistä. Perheen pojan oireet pahenivat (kaksoiskuvat, ahdistus) Samentolla mutta paranivat kun hoitoon lisättiin Pale Spike ja Silphtrin (en tunne kyseisiä valmisteita). Myös isä (Mike) käyttää em valmisteita ja ne ovat auttaneet rytmihäiriöihin. Äiti lopetti Samenton käytön, mutta käyttää muita em valmisteita + joitakin muita valmisteita (Microbojen, Borrelogen).
Kroonisen borrelioosin hoito on edelleenkin varsin sekavaa eikä siihen näytä olevan yhtään kaikkia varmuudella auttavaa hoitoprotokollaa.
Em. perheen lääkäri antoi seuraavan hoito-ohjeen: "Jos se hoito mitä teet parhaillaan, ei auta, sinun on koitettava jotakin muuta hoitoa. "
"I chose not to go the drug route for several reasons. Mostly I'm against drugs except in emergencies (when my appendix ruptured I glady took drugs). But everything I read in my naturalpaths office lead me to take Samento. Tried to do that for several months but did not get better and it always made me feel so weird and shaky all the time.
By the time I got to Dr. David's my liver had started shutting down from all the ammonia in my head, heart and liver. This component of Lyme's (ammonia)is not in his book since it was discovered after the book was in print. Antibiotics (for me) would have been really bad with my liver not functioning properly (even though all the bloodwork I had taken showed my liver doing just fine).
Anyway, the first 2 weeks there Dr. J didn't even start me on anything to go after the Lyme, it was treatment to build my body up and start breaking down the ammonia. That was the Pale Spike Lobelia and Silphitrin for the ammonia, and lots of other stuff to build up my system. This is where it is hard because each of us needs different things. But going after the ammonia is essential.
The third week I went on the Microbojen and Borrelogen (plus other remedies), while still taking Pale Spike and Silphitrin. Had to get off the Cat's Claw.
When we got home, my son had stopped taking the TOA Cat's Claw because it made him anxious and he would get double vision (scarry when driving). He decided to stay on the cats claw but added the Pale Spike and Silphitrin. This (for him) stops the double vision and the anxiety.
Mike is using silphitrin, Pale spike, and the neuro-antitiox (because we had it at home, had bought it from our naturalpath before we went to Dr. David's). It has stopped his irratic heart beat. He is also using Samento.
On my Lyme protocol I am off of all my other supplements (except of course sleep stuff).
One of the things I remember Dr. David saying to me was if what you are doing isn't working, you need to try something else. That's not a direct quote, just how my brain remembers it :")
Hei Iippo, Näyttää siltä että Samentosta on useita erilaisia kokemuksia myös maailmalla. Löysin mm. seuraavan kertomuksen. Perheessä kaikilla borrelioosi, mutta he ovat päättäneet pysytellä erossa lääkkeistä. Perheen pojan oireet pahenivat (kaksoiskuvat, ahdistus) Samentolla mutta paranivat kun hoitoon lisättiin Pale Spike ja Silphtrin (en tunne kyseisiä valmisteita). Myös isä (Mike) käyttää em valmisteita ja ne ovat auttaneet rytmihäiriöihin. Äiti lopetti Samenton käytön, mutta käyttää muita em valmisteita + joitakin muita valmisteita (Microbojen, Borrelogen).
Kroonisen borrelioosin hoito on edelleenkin varsin sekavaa eikä siihen näytä olevan yhtään kaikkia varmuudella auttavaa hoitoprotokollaa.
Em. perheen lääkäri antoi seuraavan hoito-ohjeen: "Jos se hoito mitä teet parhaillaan, ei auta, sinun on koitettava jotakin muuta hoitoa. "
"I chose not to go the drug route for several reasons. Mostly I'm against drugs except in emergencies (when my appendix ruptured I glady took drugs). But everything I read in my naturalpaths office lead me to take Samento. Tried to do that for several months but did not get better and it always made me feel so weird and shaky all the time.
By the time I got to Dr. David's my liver had started shutting down from all the ammonia in my head, heart and liver. This component of Lyme's (ammonia)is not in his book since it was discovered after the book was in print. Antibiotics (for me) would have been really bad with my liver not functioning properly (even though all the bloodwork I had taken showed my liver doing just fine).
Anyway, the first 2 weeks there Dr. J didn't even start me on anything to go after the Lyme, it was treatment to build my body up and start breaking down the ammonia. That was the Pale Spike Lobelia and Silphitrin for the ammonia, and lots of other stuff to build up my system. This is where it is hard because each of us needs different things. But going after the ammonia is essential.
The third week I went on the Microbojen and Borrelogen (plus other remedies), while still taking Pale Spike and Silphitrin. Had to get off the Cat's Claw.
When we got home, my son had stopped taking the TOA Cat's Claw because it made him anxious and he would get double vision (scarry when driving). He decided to stay on the cats claw but added the Pale Spike and Silphitrin. This (for him) stops the double vision and the anxiety.
Mike is using silphitrin, Pale spike, and the neuro-antitiox (because we had it at home, had bought it from our naturalpath before we went to Dr. David's). It has stopped his irratic heart beat. He is also using Samento.
On my Lyme protocol I am off of all my other supplements (except of course sleep stuff).
One of the things I remember Dr. David saying to me was if what you are doing isn't working, you need to try something else. That's not a direct quote, just how my brain remembers it :")